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07.10.2015:  Meeting
with Director (HR), BSNL Board:
A
meeting was held with the representatives AIBSNLEA under the
chairmanship of Director (HR). From management side GM (Pers),
GM (Estt), Addl GM (SR), Jt. GM (Pers), DGM (Admn.), DGM (Estt.)
were present along with Director (HR) and from AIBSNLEA side,
GS, FS, AGS (HQ), were present in the meeting. We requested
Dir (HR) to review the progress on the agenda items of the
earlier meetings held on 15.09.2015, 16.07.2015 and
04.08.2015. Records of discussion on the issues is as under:
1. Superannuation
benefits to Direct Recruited executives as per the provision
of sub-rule (23) of rule 37A of CCS pension rule and as per
DPE guidelines. BSNL should contribute 12% of Basic + DA as
Superannuation Benefits in respect of Direct Recruits and the
effective date of implementation of Superannuation benefits of
BSNL Recruited Employees must be 01.10.2000.
Director (HR) further informed that matter has been
re-examined based on the feedback given by the Association and
a revised proposal is being mooted to BSNL Management
Committee shortly to increase the contribution from 3% to 6%.
We continued to demanded 12% contribution as per DPE
guidelines.
2.
Some issues related to Executive promotion policy (EPP) needs
immediate settlement in addition to CPSU cadre hierarchy
and first time bound promotion after 4 years of service in all
these cases:
Dir (HR) mentioned that the committee headed by ED (NB) will
shortly submit the recommendations.
a. Time bound promotion from E-5 to E-6 to the DGMs promoted
from Gr."B" Executives:
Director (HR) directed GM (Pers) to put up the case in next
board meeting positively delinking it from HR Plan after the
approval of the competent authority.
b.
Date of effect of Implementation of
revised upgraded IDA Pay Scales for the Executives w.e.f.
1.10.2000 on notional basis:
GM (Pers) informed that the matter is under consideration to
GM (Estt). Director (HR) directed GM (Estt) to clear the case
immediately and to put up her within 7 days' time for
consideration.
c. Amendment in BSNL MSRRs of EE (Civil/Electrical/Arch):
We extended our sincere thanks to Director (HR) for getting
approval of the BSNL Board on allowing Diploma holder SDE
(C/E) having 10 years technical experience for the promotion
of EE (C/E). But we expressed our concern against the court
cases in various courts and requested to get transferred all
these court cases in in the Hon'ble PB CAT New Delhi. Dir (HR)
assured to direct PGM (BW) for getting transferred all court
cases in the Hon'ble PB CAT New Delhi.
3. Conduction of various CPCs on a regular basis:
a. CPC from JTO to SDE (T) CPC against seniority cum fitness
quota: Conduction of DPC for Seniority and fitness quota as
per DoPT guidelines for the years 2009-10, 2010-11, 2011-12,
2012-13 and 2013-14 to fill up about 6600 SDEs posts:
GM (Pers) informed that the draft
reply has been sent to Kerala Circle for further submission to
Hon'ble High Court Kerala and as soon as the stay order is
vacated from the Hon'ble HC Kerala, the CPC will be expedited
and promotion order of 4000 SDEs will be issued immediately.
GM (Pers) further mentioned that in the stay order granted by
Hon`ble CAT Chandigarh on promotion from JTO to SDE Telecom
has been clubbed with AO to CAO court case and one Advocate
has been nominated to take legal opinion from ASG/SG on the
issue of SC/ST roster implementations on promotions the
meeting with the nominated Advocate has been fixed up tomorrow
to explain the case. Dir (HR), directed GM (Pers) to monitor
the case closely and ensure an early solution.
b. CPC from SDE (T)/DE(Adhoc) to DE
Regular: Immediate CPC to fill up
the left out about 11 DEs Posts and about 750 DEs posts on
regular basis up to the vacancies of year 2013-14.
GM (Pers) informed that 11 DE's Promotion order of left out
cases will be issued shortly and about 750 DEs promotion order
on regular basis will be issued before 31st
October, 2015 in case ACRs / VCRs are received, about 300 VCRs
have been received.
c. CPC from DE to DGM (Engg.) on Adhoc/Regular basis to fill
up about 700 DGM vacant posts:
GM (Pers) informed that CPC work is in progress from DE to DGM
and about 300 DGM promotions can be issued before 31st
October, 2015 in case the ACRs/VCRs of the concerned DEs are
received in Pers Cell, about 186 VCRs have been received.
d. CPC from JAO to AO and AO to CAO to fill up the vacant
posts:
Director (HR) assured to direct GM (FP) to expedite CPCs from
JAO to AO and AO to CAO. She also directed GM (Pers) to sit
with GM (FP) and ensure common reply to the Hon'ble CAT
Chandigarh on SC/ST Roaster implementation. She assured an
early action in this regard.
e. CPC from DGM (F)-Adhoc to DGM (F) - Regular basis:
Director (HR) informed that the CPC work is in progress in SEA
Cell & promotion orders will be issued shortly.
f. \CPCs from JTO (C/E) to SDE (C/E) and SDE(C/E) to EE(C/E):
Director (HR) mentioned that CPCs from JTO(C/E) to SDE(C/E)
are in progress. And the CPCs from SDE(C/E) to EE(C/E) have
been initiated to fill up the vacant EE(C/E) posts and after
the vacation of stay order the promotion orders will be
issued.
g. CPCs from JTO (TF) to SDE (TF), SDE (TF) to DE/AGM (TF)
and LDCE from JTO (TF) to SDEs (TF):
We extended thanks for issuing 12 DGM promotion orders in
Telecom. Factory Wing and requested to expedite CPCs to fill
up the SDE(TF) and AGM(TF) posts and to notified LDCE from
JTO(TF) to SDE(TF) immediately Dir (HR) directed GM(Pers) to
send the requisition to recruitment cell for the notification
of LDCE immediately and GM (Pers) informed that SDE (TF) to
AGM(TF) CPC has been expedited and shortly promotion order
will be issued.
h. Promotion from Assistants to Section officers and Personal
Assistant to Private Secretaries, SO to AGM and AGM to DGM in
the erstwhile CSS and CSSS:
GM (Pers) apprised that the
promotions are up to date i.e. promotion from AM to DM-
finalized and settled, promotion from PA to PS- LICE proposal
already sent to DE section. To be notified shortly and
examination is to be held in the 3rd qtr of this
year as proposed by DE section, promotion from SO to AGM-
Finalized and settled, promotion from AGM to DGM- Finalized
and settled.
3. Post
based promotions for PA/PS, common recruitment rules and
nomenclature and introduction of promotion policy for stenos
(dying cadre):
GM(Pers) informed that reports about number of posts in
various circles have been received and case will be presented
before committee headed by ED (CN) shortly. Dir (HR) directed
GM (Pers) to ensure submission of committee report within one
month period to the competent authority.
4. Restructuring of AD(OL) Cadre:-
The committee constituted under
the Chairmanship of Shri Harsh Wardhan Addl. GM(CP&M) BSNL CO.
has submitted the report to the competent authority to revise
the pay scale of Rajbhasha Adhikari at PAR with SDE/AO Scale.
Shortly the case will be put up to the competent authority for
approval. We have demanded to restructure the cadre by change
of designation as AD(OL) and to ensure promotion up to DD(OL)
STS Grade.
GM (Pers) informed that the committee recommendation on
restructuring of AD (OL) Cadre has been processed to the
competent authority for approval and shortly the issue will be
resolved after the approval of the BSNL Board. Dir (HR)
assured an early decision in this regard.
5. Immediate implementation of digital signature by all
circles with respect to EPF cases settlement of BSNL recruited
employees, resolution of all EPF Anomalies, and EPF
contribution during training period:
Director (HR) further mentioned that the anomalies in the EPF
for direct recruit executives are being resolved and the EPF
contribution during the training period is being paid.
6. Promotions through LDCE in SDE cadre:
We requested for early
declaration of result for last LDCE and conduction of LDCE for
promotion from JTO (T) to SDE
(T) for the vacancy available till date.
GM (Pers) informed that an expert committee has been
constituted to examine the grievances of the candidates and
now the Answer key has been finalized and will be published
shortly. The result is being prepared but the results will be
declared only after clearance from Hon'ble CAT Chandigarh on
SC/ST roaster implementation on promotions.
7. Settlement of pay anomaly cases wherein senior Executives
are drawing less pay than their juniors and antedating of pay:
AIBSNLEA pleaded to implement the Honorable Supreme Court
judgment allowing stepping up of pay to all affected
executives as the AIBSNLEA was party in the Apex court. Case
of 124 executives decided based on court judgement. However as
discussed in the meeting with Dir (HR) and union the case is
to be seen in generality and gentility. GM (Pers) informed
that the information of the eligible executives has been
called from Circle to calculate the financial implications. We
pleaded that information about retires is also required to be
taken from Circles. Dir (HR), directed GM (Pers) to look into
the matter.
Regarding antedating of pay, Director (HR) directed GM (Estt.)
to hold further discussions with the association separately to
resolve the issue at the earliest.
On the issue of an increment @ 3% at the time of executive
time bound upgradation on their basic pay on time bound
promotion and subsequently 3% increment benefit on vertical
promotion, GM (Estt) informed that the case has been sent to
EF Cell for financial concurrence and after receiving it the
necessary orders will be issued in this regard.
8. E1+5 Increments benefit to JTO (SRD),
JAOs 2013 batch and PAs: The BSNL
Management Committee has cleared the proposal of E1+5
Increments benefit to JTO (SRD), JAOs 2013 batch and PAs which
is pending for BSNL Board approval.
Director (HR) directed GM(Estt.) to put up the case in the
next board meeting positively de-linking from HR plan
approval.
9. Early finalization of New SDE
RR-2014 & JTO RRs-2014 (without degradation of Scale &
Qualification) and in line with the suggestions submitted by
associations:
Director (HR) informed that the SDE RR-2014 has been
resubmitted before BSNL Board de linking from HR plan. Earlier
Board had returned the case with remarks. To be decided after
approval of HR plan. We extended our thanks for getting
approve JTO (RR) in the last board meeting and requested to
initiate the process of regularization of officiating JTOs and
to conduct LICE. GM(Estt) confirmed that yesterday only the
minutes of BSNL Board meeting has been received in the estt.
Cell and shortly necessary action for regularization of
officiating JTOs and conduction of LICE will be initiated.
10.
Recovery/ Reduction in pay and committee on officiating pay
fixation:
Committee
reconstituted and first meeting held on 10th August 2015 .
11. Request for fixation of pay in respect of departmental
outsiders (TTAs) appointed as JTOs through JTO Direct
recruitment 2007- Issuance of clarification regarding: TTA
to JTO (Direct) quota pay fixation case: We pleaded to allow
to exercise option on promotion to the JTOs recruited under
Direct Quota after technical resignation from TTA Cadre as per
DOP&T guidelines and other PSUs HR policies on the matter. Dir
(HR) further directed GM(Estt.) to examine the case in detail
for an early decision as per the documents submitted by
association side.
12. Improvement in the revised policy for service GSM,
RSRTC & Broadband to Executive:
a) Enhancement of 200 free calls limit per month on RSTC &
enhancement of free call limit on GSM Telephone connection to
STS level officers from 500 to 800 calls.
b) Rent free broadband service connection to all executive
with BSNL 750 Plan. Sr. GM (Admn) has processed the case to
the competent authority for rent free Broadband connection
c) All the BSNL Executive should be provided GSM handsets
of the cost Rs. 3000/-Rs. 4000/- & Rs. 5000/- to the JTO/SDE/DE
level executive instead of Rs.1500/-, Rs. 2500, Rs.3500/-
respectively.
d) All executives should be allowed CUG facility on RSTC at
Circle level.
e) 3G mobile service with Data facility to all Executives.
All above
issue were discussed in details with justifications and it was
assured by Director (HR) that all above issues are under
consideration and shortly decision in regard will be taken.
13. Extension of ERP Package for the benefit of the BSNL
Pensioners and Extension of Concessional broadband facility to
retired BSNL Employees residing under MTNL area as given by
BSNL & MTNL to their serving and retired Employees residing in
their respective service areas/ jurisdictions:
Dir(HR.) directed DGM (Admn) to put up these issues
immediately for consideration as already taken up by this
association and pensioners association.
On the remaining old agenda items already discussed on
15.09.2015 will further be discussed in the next meeting with
Dir (HR). Dir (HR) directed GM(Estt.) also to hold regular
schedule meeting with the association to discuss the agenda
items prior to the meeting with Dir (HR) as being done by
GM(Pers).
The meeting ended with thanks to the chair. The discussions
were very cordial, effective and fruitful the next meeting
with Dir (HR) will be held on 28th October-2015.
For the convenience of the readers the minutes of the earlier
held meetings are placed below for ready reckoner:
A.
Meeting with Director (HR) on the agenda items submitted by
AIBSNLEA dated 15.09.2015
The meeting was chaired by
Director (HR) and was attended by GS Shri Prahlad Rai, Finance
Secretary Shri T.C. Jain from association side and GM (Admin),
GM (Estt), Addl. GM (SR) and other officers from Personnel
cell. Shri Ravi Shil Verma, President AIGETOA and Shri Amit
Roy, AGS AIGETOA also attended the meeting to discuss the
issues pertaining to stopping of ongoing recruitment of DGMs.
On the issue of recruitment of
DGMs, Director (HR) categorically stated that some vital steps
have been lapsed by recruitment wing in handling the
recruitment process of DGMs and the issue of RRs not coming
favorably for internal candidates needs to be thoroughly
examined. She informed that CMD BSNL has felt the need for
getting into the details of the recruitment. She also informed
that on the instructions of CMD BSNL, she has instructed
Recruitment Cell to put on hold the complete recruitment
process of DGMs till further orders which included not
declaring the results of Interviews also. CMD BSNL has desired
to get into the details of the complete recruitment process of
DGMs on the concern raised by the association and accordingly
a self-explanatory note shall be presented to CMD giving
details of the circumstances under which DGM RR was framed,
the amendments which are required for addressing the concern
of the internal candidates and other details. She further told
since GM (Pers) is on leave and she herself shall be out of
country for one week, so a meeting will be held with forum on
the second week of October to discuss the way forward on the
issue.
She further advised restraint
on the part of associations in the meetings to discuss
the matter in cordial environment and assured that issues
shall be given due hearing and justice will prevail.
Association side assured full cooperation in this regard.
1. Improvement in the revised policy for
service GSM, RSTC & Broadband to Executives :
(a) Enhancement
of 200 free calls limit per month on RSTC, & enhancement of
free call limit on GSM Telephone connection to STS level
officer from 500 calls to 800 calls.
(b) Rent
free Broadband service connection to all Executives with BSNL
750 plan. Sr. GM (Admn.) has processed the case to the
competent authority for rent free Broadband connection.
(c) All
the BSNL executives should be provided GSM Handsets of the
cost of Rs.3000/- Rs. 4000/- &Rs 5000/- to the JTO/SDE/DE
level executives instead of Rs, 1500/- , Rs 2500/- Rs 3500/-
respectively.
(d) All
Executives' should be allowed CUG facility on RSTC at circle
level.
(e) 3G
Mobile service with Data facility to all Executives.
All above issues were discussed in detail with
justification and it was assured by Director (HR) that
decision in regard to first two issues shall be taken in 15
days and the decision on other issues shall be taken in next
15 days thereafter.
2. Withdrawal of the system/practice of Local
Officiating Arrangement or Local Officiating Promotion in BSNL
and Introduction of Look After arrangement by Executives:
BSNL Corporate Office issued letter regarding withdrawal of
the system/practice of Local Officiating Arrangement or Local
Officiating Promotion in BSNL and Introduction of Look After
arrangement by Executives having higher scales of pay w.r.t.
temporary shortages in the grades/posts of SDE / DE/ DGM in
Circles on 22.03.2013. We demand to restore earlier practice
of local officiating arrangement as in the new system one
executive has to perform duties of two posts one his original
post and another his promotional post on looking after basis.
Our executive thus remains over loaded moreover he does not
get the designation of newly promoted post. Always he is
mentioned as L/A. BSNL is yet to review the order.
After detailed discussions, Director (HR) was
not convinced with the reply given by Personnel cell and
directed the Pers cell officers to submit the old
records/actions taken in this regard for examining the whole
issue and directed that reply to the association should be
submitted after her approval only.
3.
One time placement of SDE to Sr. SDE:
As
per DOT agreement and commitment of BSNL at the time of
absorption of Group ?B' officers in BSNL on 01.10.2000, the
SDEs who completed 5 years of regular service would be
provided one time placement in the Sr. SDE grade. A proposal
to give relief to the stagnating SDEs for their placement in
the Sr. SDEs grade through Cadre Review Concept, on the back
drop of the demand of the Association to reduce the
eligibility criteria from 12 years to 5 years (As approved by
Telecom Commission in 1994) for placement in the existing
scheme, was approved by DoT and discussed in the GoM. This was
subsequently remitted to BSNL. It was assured by Hon'ble MOC &
IT, in the meeting held on 22-10-2001 with the Association
that BSNL has agreed to the proposal in principle and a board
memo was under preparation. We further understand that the
memo was also finalized, but was not placed in the BSNL Board
meeting. The majority of TES Group ?B' officers has been
absorbed in BSNL and the BSNL Executive Promotional Policy is
implemented w.e.f. 01-10-2000, the issue needs to be settled
favorably.
After detailed discussions, Director (HR) was
not convinced with the reply given by Personnel cell and
directed the Pers cell officers to submit the old
records/actions taken in this regard for examining the whole
issue and directed that reply to the association should be
submitted after her approval only.
4. Introduction of Promotion Policy for Stenos
(Dying cadre):
There are about 168
Stenographers working throughout the country in the field
units of BSNL. Out of these 168, majority of the
stenographers have completed more than 12 years and is placed
in the pre-revised executive pay scale of 9850 & 11875 as the
case may be at par with PA/PS. The Stenographers who have
been granted ACP in the executive pay scale ceased to be
non-executives as per BSNL HQ order No. 1-22/2009-PAT (BSNL)
dated 30.04.2009, yet the status attached to the pay scale has
not been accorded to them. Promotion policy for
non-executives has also been notified now. The only cadre
which has been kept outside the purview of both the promotion
policies is the Stenographers (dying cadre). Neither Executive
Promotion Policy nor Non-Executive Promotion policy has been
made applicable to this small group of Stenos drawing
executive pay scale. If
no promotion policy is implemented, there is no scope of any
promotion for these stenographers
other than getting an increment
as per modified ACP as recommended by the 6th Pay
Commission for the Central Govt. Employees which has been
implemented in BSNL also.
Director (HR) directed pers
cell to submit the complete case and asked the association to
submit a fresh letter detailing the exact nature of the demand
so that an informed decision can be taken on the issue of
relaxation as one time measure in view of the LICE from
Non-Executive to Executive Cadre.
5. BSNL CO Vide No.15-07/2011-Pers.II
Dated 18th August 2015 issued clarification in
respect of implementation of policy guidelines issued by BSNL
Corporate Office in respect of PA/PS of BSNL field units
wherein wrong implementation of EPP guidelines /restructuring
order /ACP orders issued by BSNL CO are required to take
corrective measures which will cause heavy recoveries AIBSNLEA
has strongly oppose such arbitrary and unjust recovery orders.
Director (HR) directed pers cell to process the case for
keeping the recovery held in abeyance and to seek the
financial implications from the circles.
6. TTA to JTO (Direct) quota pay
fixation case: Forum pleaded with Director (HR) to allow
option to exercise on promotion to the JTOs recruited under
direct quota after technical resignation from TTA cader as per
DoPT guidelines and other PSUs HR policies on the matter.
Director (HR) Directed GM (Estt) to examine the case in detail
as per the documents submitted by the association side.
7. The indifferent attitude of GM (HR),
MH circle towards the members of forum under the silent
support of CGMT MH circle.
Director (HR) appreciated our concern and assured to intervene
in the matter to provide justice to the members of the forum.
B.
Meeting with Director (HR) on the agenda items submitted by
AIBSNLEA dated 04.09.2015
GS, FS, AGS (HQ), AGS (Fin.) held a meeting with Director
(HR). GM (Pers), GM (Estt), Addl GM (SR) and Addl. GM (Pers)
were also present in the meeting. We requested Director (HR)
to review the progress on the agenda items of the earlier
meetings held on 16.07.2015 and 04.08.2015. Records of
discussion on the issues taken up in the meeting are as under:
1. Superannuation benefits to Direct Recruited executives as
per the provision of sub-rule (23) of rule 37A of CCS pension
rule and as per DPE guidelines. BSNL should contribute 12% of
Basic + DA as Superannuation Benefits in respect of Direct
Recruits and the effective date of implementation of
Superannuation benefits of BSNL Recruited Employees must be
01.10.2000.
Director (HR) informed that matter has been re-examined based
on the feedback given by the Association and a revised
proposal is being mooted to BSNL Management Committee to
increase the contribution from 3% to 5%-6%. We demanded 12%
contribution as per DPE guidelines.
2. Some issues related to Executive promotion policy (EPP)
needs immediate settlement in addition to CPSU cadre hierarchy
and first time bound promotion after 4 years of service in all
the cases as under
a.
Time bound promotion from E-5 to E-6 to the DGMs promoted from
Gr."B" Executives:
Director (HR) directed GM (Pers) to put up the case in next
board meeting delinking it from HR Plan after the approval of
the competent authority.
b. Date of effect of
Implementation of revised upgraded IDA Pay Scales for the
Executives w.e.f. 1.10.2000 on notional basis:
GM (Pers) informed that the matter is under consideration to
GM (Estt). Director (HR) directed GM (Estt) to clear the case
at the earliest in same line of JAO.
c. Amendment in BSNL
MSRRs of EE (Civil/Electrical/Arch):
We extended our sincere thanks to Director (HR) for getting
approval of the BSNL Board on allowing Diploma holder SDE
(C/E) having 10 years technical experience for the promotion
of EE (C/E) and requested for early filling of the vacant EE
(C/E ) posts.
3. Conduction of various CPCs on a regular basis:
a.
CPC from JTO to SDE (T) CPC against seniority cum fitness
quota: Conduction of DPC for Seniority and fitness quota as
per DoPT guidelines for the years 2009-10, 2010-11, 2011-12
,2012-13 and 2013-14 to fill up about 6600:
GM (Pers) apprised that as soon as the stay
order is vacated from the Hon'ble HC Kerala, the CPC will be
expedited and promotion order of 6612 SDEs will be issued
immediately. We requested to discuss the matter with CGMT
Kerala Circle for early hearing through BSNL`s Advocate.
Dir(HR) directed GM(Pers) to talk CGMT Kerala Circle on this
issue or if required she will talk to CGMT Kerala Circle.
GM(Pers) further mentioned that in the stay order granted by
Hon`ble CAT Chandigarh on promotion from JTO to SDE Telecom
will be clubbed with AO to CAO court case which will be heard
on 21st September, 2015. Dir (HR) directed to GM(
Pers) to take the legal opinion from Sr. GM (Legal ) to
appoint Sr. Advocate in this case.
b. CPC from SDE (T)/DE(Adhoc)
to DE Regular: Immediate CPC to fill up the left out about 90
DEs Posts and about 1200 DEs posts on regular basis up to the
vacancies of year 2013-14.
GM (Pers) informed
that 83 DE Promotion order including 657 DEs promotion order
on regular basis will be issued before 30th
September, 2015 in case ACRs / VCRs are received. We pleaded
that all the DE vacancies up to July 14 which numbering about
1200 DE posts should be filled up in the same CPC. GM (Pers)
assured to look into the matter. He advised that Association
should also help to completing the ACRs/VCRs of the eligible
SDEs. We assured our support.
c. CPC from DE to
DGM (Engg.) on Adhoc/Regular basis to fill up about 700 DGM
vacant posts:
GM (Pers) informed that CPC work is in progress
from DE to DGM and about 270 DGM promotions can be issued
before 30th September, 2015 in case the ACRs/VCRs
of the concerned DEs are received in Pers Cell.
d.
CPC from JAO to AO and AO to CAO to fill up the vacant posts:
Director (HR) assured to direct GM (FP) to
expedite CPCs from JAO to AO and AO to CAO. She also directed
GM(Pers) to sit with GM (FP) and ensure common reply to the
Hon`ble CAT Chandigarh on SC/ST Roaster implementation. She
assured an early action in this regard.
e.
CPC from DGM (F)-Adhoc to DGM (F) - Regular basis:
Director (HR)
informed that the CPC work is in progress in SEA Cell.
f. CPCs from JTO
(C/E) to SDE (C/E) and SDE(C/E) to EE(C/E):
Director (HR)
mentioned that CPCs from JTO(C/E) to SDE(C/E) are in progress.
And the CPCs from SDE(C/E) to EE(C/E) have been initiated to
fill up the vacant EE(C/E) posts.
g. CPCs from JTO (TF) to SDE (TF) , SDE (TF) to
DE/AGM(TF) and LDCE from JTO (TF) to SDEs (TF):
Director (HR) directed GM (Pers) to expedite CPCs to fill up
the SDE(TF), AGM(TF) and DGM(TF) posts
h.
Promotion from Assistants to Section officers and Personal
Assistant to Private Secretaries, SO to AGM and AGM to DGM in
the erstwhile CSS and CSSS:
GM (Pers) apprised that the promotions are up
to date.
4. Restructuring of AD (OL) Cadre:
GM (Pers) informed that the committee recommendation on
restructuring of AD (OL) Cadre has been processed to the
competent authority for approval and shortly the issue will be
resolved after the approval of the BSNL Board.
5.
Immediate implementation of digital signature by all circles
with respect to EPF cases settlement of BSNL recruited
employees, resolution of all EPF Anomalies, and EPF
contribution during training period.
Director (HR) mentioned that the anomalies in the EPF for
direct recruit executives are being resolved and the EPF
contribution during the training period is being paid.
6.
Promotions through LDCE in SDE cadre:
We requested for
early declaration of result for last LDCE and conduction of
LDCE for promotion from JTO (T) to SDE
(T) for the vacancy available till date.
GM (Pers) mentioned that an expert committee
has been constituted to examine the grievances of the
candidates and now the Answer key is being finalized and will
be published in the next week. Thereafter the answer sheet
will be evaluated and results will be prepared. The whole
exercise would be completed by 30.09.2015 but the results will
be declared only after clearance from Hon'ble CAT Chandigarh
on SC/ST roaster implementation on promotions.
7. LDCE from JTO (TF) to SDEs (TF) on regular
basis:
GM
(Pers) informed that the syllabus of LDCE from JTO (TF) to
SDEs (TF) has been circulated. However, the notification of
LDCE will be issued by 30.09.2015 after clearance of
e-tendering process.
8.
Provide additional increment to all the executives promoted
through 2012 SDE (T) LDCE, to compensate loss of notional
increment due to delayed Exam/Result on the part of BSNL.
GM (Pers)
requested not to take up the issue as it will open the Pandora
Box for other similar cases also as per the direction from
Honorable Court, notional increment is extended to 124
petitioners against LDCE held in 2002. AIBSNLEA further
pleaded that same benefits must be given to similarly affected
executives for LDCE-2012 instead of forcing them to go to the
various courts. Director (HR) appreciated our concern and
directed GM (Pers) to discuss the court judgment with her and
then decision will be taken.
9.
Settlement of pay anomaly cases wherein senior Executives are
drawing less pay than their juniors and antedating of pay:
AIBSNLEA pleaded to implement the Honorable Supreme Court
judgment allowing stepping up of pay to all affected
executives. AIBSNLEA further pleaded that stepping up of pay
as per the Apex court judgment is already implemented under
NEPP. Director (HR) directed GM (Pers) for taking early
decision in this regard in time bound manner.
Regarding antedating of pay, Director (HR) categorically told
that in no case senior is not to draw less salary than his
junior and directed GM (Estt) to discuss the reasons of
withdrawal of 2009 order in the year 2010. Director (HR)
further mentioned that if any policy decision is required to
be taken to remove this anomaly that has to be taken by BSNL
but in no case the fundamental right of the seniors will be
violated.
On
the issue of an increment @ 3% at the time of executive time
bound upgradation on their basic pay on time bound promotion
and subsequently 3% increment benefit on vertical promotion,
we expressed our resentment against dragging the issue on the
pretext of reference made to the DPE. BSNL Executives are
losing Rs 50 to 70 in their basic pay on account of 6%
increment benefit in the promoted scale. Dir(HR) appreciated
our concern and directed GM(Estt) to discuss the matter with
DPE authorities for early reply and in case it is further
delayed she will hold the meeting with Addl Secretary DPE for
the settlement of the issue but the case cannot be dragged on
the pretext of reference made to DPE.
10. Special recruitment of JTO/JAO for hard tenure Circles /
Implementation of Transfer Policy in its true spirit in all
disciplines and consideration of Rule-8 cases by circles,
spouse cases as per the prevalent guidelines:
Director
(HR) acknowledged the hardship of the executives posted in
hard tenure/deficits stations/circles and mentioned that BSNL
management is seized with the problem and considering the
special recruitment in such circles as soon as the new JTO-RRs
are approved by the BSNL Board. She directed GM (Estt) to
process the case to the competent authority for de-linking the
issue from the HR Plan and to put up in the next BSNL Board
meeting.
Apart
from this, she also directed GM (Estt) to prepare a waiting
list in BSNL Corporate Office the candidates seeking temporary
transfer under Para-9.
11. E1+5 Increments benefit to JTO (SRD), JAOs 2013 batch and
PAs: The BSNL Management Committee has cleared the proposal of
E1+5 Increments benefit to JTO (SRD), JAOs 2013 batch and PAs
which is pending for BSNL Board approval. Also settlement of
Pay Anomaly cases of Departmental JTOs outsider quota:
Director
(HR) further directed GM (Estt) to put up the case in the next
board meeting de-linking from HR plan approval.
12. Inordinate delay in settlement of disciplinary cases: We
have been requesting BSNL Management for the settlement of
long pending disciplinary cases. Many cases are pending more
than 7-8 years and no decision is given, causing undue
harassment to the executives on promotions and retirement. As
per CVC guidelines all the disciplinary cases needs early
settlement:
Director
(HR) advised GM (Pers), GM (Estt) and GM (FP) to write a
letter to CVO for submitting a list of pending disciplinary
cases and request for early settlement of these cases.
13. Post based promotions for PA/PS up to PPS and Sr. PPS
Cadre. Common Recruitment Rules & Nomenclature and
introduction of Promotion Policy for Stenos (Dying Cadre):
Director (HR) directed GM (Pers) to arrange an
early committee meeting headed by ED (CN) and assured to talk
personally with ED (CN) to submit committee report at the
earliest.
14. Allowing option to departmental JAOs who joined after
07-05-2010:
AIBSNLEA extended thanks to Director (HR) for settling this
long pending issue and also extended thanks for considering
AAO and Sr. AO posts as post based promotions for the purpose
of granting 1st TBP under EPP.
15. Early finalization of New SDE RR-2014 & JTO RRs-2014
(without degradation of Scale & Qualification) and in line
with the suggestions submitted by associations:
Director
(HR) informed that the SDE RR-2014 has been approved in the
last BSNBL Board meeting for which we extended our thanks.
Director (HR) further, directed GM (Estt) to put up the new
JTO RR in next board meeting delinking it from HR Plan after
the approval of the competent authority.
16. Implementation of DPE order for payment of 78.2% IDA
fitment benefit w.e.f. 01.01.2007 for BSNL Pensioners:
Director (HR) further directed GM (Estt) to
write letter to DOT showing concern of BSNL for early
settlement of the issue.
17. No MT and DGM Recruitment from outside:
AIBSNLEA
strongly reiterated its stand against the MT Recruitment and
categorically told the in case MR Recruitment process is
restored, strong agitation will be there.
AIBSNLEA
further mentioned that the qualified and experienced
Executives in BSNL having 10 to 20 years of service should
also get an opportunity to compete with others for the DGM
posts by making appropriate, justified and rational changes in
the eligibility conditions. This would mark the beginning of
allowing BSNL to have a management structure of its own at DGM
level which by virtue of age profile will be groomed into
senior management in due course of time. This strategic move
will not only meet the career growth of aspiring talented
executives in BSNL but will immensely contribute towards
growth and viability of BSNL. Director (HR) appreciated our
concern and directed GM (Pers) to review the RR. The meeting
ended with thanks to the chair.
The discussions were very
cordial, effective and fruitful.
C.
Meeting with Director (HR) on the agenda items submitted by
AIBSNLEA dated 04.08.2015
Meeting on remaining agenda items held
with the representatives of forum comprising of AIBSNLEA and
AIGETOA under the chairmanship of Director (HR).
From management side GM (Pers), GM (Estt),
Sr. GM (SR), GM (FP), Add. GM (Pers) and DGM (SR) were present
along with Director (HR) and from Forum side, GS AIBSNLEA, AGS
(HQ) AIBSNLEA, AGS (Fin) AIBSNLEA, GS AIGETOA, CS AIGETOA
Delhi and CWC AIGETOA Delhi were present in the meeting.
Records of discussion on various issues are as under:
1.
Immediate implementation of digital signature by all
circles with respect to EPF cases settlement of BSNL recruited
employees, resolution of all EPF Anomalies, and EPF
contribution during training period.
Compliance report on implementation of
digital signature will called from all the circles to ensure
the 100% implementation of digital signature. Necessary order
will be issued to make EPF contribution for the training
period. Director (HR) will personally make effort for waiver
of penalty to EPFO. Other anomalies, if any, will be resolved
on case to case basis at appropriate level.
2.
Promotions through LDCE in
SDE cadre:
(a)
LDCE from JTO to SDE (T):
Early declaration of result for last LDCE and conduction of
LDCE for promotion from JTO (T) to SDE
(T) for the vacancy available till date.
LDCE result is under process and
will be ready in next two months but there is stay from
Hon'ble CAT Chandigarh on account of reservation in promotion
for which hearing is scheduled to be held on 25th
Aug, 2015. Prior to that in a similar case in AO to CAO
promotion hearing is scheduled on 5th Aug, 2015
wherein officers from SEA and Pers Cell has prepared
appropriate reply and will personally appear in the CAT,
hopefully stay will be vacated in this hearing. Pers Cell is
actively pursuing to Honorable Shimla High Court for combined
exam for the reaming vacancies of LDCE quota of SDE (T). Once
result of the present LDCE is declared, next exam will be
notified immediately.
(b)
LDCE from JTO (TF) to SDEs (TF) on
regular basis.
The syllabus
of LDCE from JTO (TF) to SDEs (TF) will be circulated/notified
within one week and notification of LDCE will be issued in
Sep-2015 for conducting LDCE in the month of Dec-15.
3. Provide
additional increment to all the executives promoted through
2012 SDE (T) LDCE, to compensate loss of notional increment
due to delayed Exam/Result on the part of BSNL.
GM (Pers) informed that in a similar
case as per direction from Honorable Court, notional increment
is extended to 124 petitioners against LDCE held in 2002 but
same can not be generalized. Forum has pleaded that same
benefits must be given to similarly affected executives for
LDCE-2012 instead of forcing them to go to the various courts.
Director (HR) appreciated our concern and directed GM (Pers)
to discuss the court judgment with her and then decision will
be taken.
4. Settlement
of pay anomaly cases wherein senior Executives are drawing
less pay than their juniors and antedating of pay.
Forum pleaded to implement the Honorable
Supreme Court judgment allowing stepping up of pay to all
affected executives. Forum further pleaded that stepping up of
pay as per the Apex court judgment is already implemented
under NEPP. Director (HR) directed GM (Pers) for taking early
decision in this regard. Regarding antedating of pay GM (Estt)
assured to provide the calculation sheet on antedating of pay
on the basis of earlier BSNL CO PAT section order issued after
second PRC implementation and than modified order in 2011.
Accordingly case will be process to the competent authority
for final decision.
5. Special
recruitment of JTO/JAO for hard tenure Circles /
Implementation of Transfer Policy in its true spirit in all
disciplines and consideration of Rule-8 cases by circles,
spouse cases as per the prevalent guidelines.
Director (HR) acknowledged the
hardship of the executives posted in hard tenure/deficits
stations/circles and mentioned that BSNL management is seized
with problem and considering the special recruitment in such
circles. Apart from this, some immediate possible measures
will be taken to mitigate the hardship of executives.
6. E1+5
Increments benefit to JTO (SRD), JAOs 2013 batch and PAs:
The BSNL Management Committee has cleared the proposal of E1+5
Increments benefit to JTO (SRD), JAOs 2013 batch and PAs which
is pending for BSNL Board approval. Also settlement of Pay
Anomaly cases of Departmental JTOs outsider quota.
Director (HR) directed GM (Estt)
to put up the case in the next board meeting to be held in
Aug-15 delinking from HR plan approval.
7.
Inordinate delay in
settlement of disciplinary cases: We have been requesting BSNL
Management for the settlement of long pending disciplinary
cases. Many cases are pending more than 7-8 years and no
decision is given, causing undue harassment to the executives
on promotions and retirement. As per CVC guidelines all the
disciplinary cases needs early settlement.
Director
(HR) advised to submit the list of long pending disciplinary
cases for early decisions.
8. Post
based promotions for PA/PS up to PPS and Sr. PPS Cadre. Common
Recruitment Rules & Nomenclature and introduction of Promotion
Policy for Stenos (Dying Cadre)
Director (HR) directed Add. GM (Pers),
convener of the committee headed by ED (CN) to submit
committee report within two months time for decision.
9.
Allowing option to departmental JAOs who joined after
07-05-2010.
Issue is already resolved. Forum
extends sincere thanks for resolving the issues.
10.
Early finalization of New SDE RR-2014 & JTO RRs-2014
(without degradation of Scale & Qualification) and in line
with the suggestions submitted by associations.
Director (HR) directed GM (Estt) and GM
(Pers) to put up the issues in next board meeting delinking
from HR Plan finalization for resolution.
11.
Implementation of DPE
order for payment of 78.2% IDA fitment benefit w.e.f.
01.01.2007 for BSNL Pensioners.
Director (HR) directed GM (Estt)
to write letter to DOT showing concern of BSNL for early
settlement of the issue.
12.
No MT and DGM Recruitment
from outside.
Forum
has raised serious objection on MT/DGM recruitment from
outside ignoring more qualified, experienced and deserving
internal executives. Forum has appraised that BSNL Board has
taken decision to recruits about 200 DGM in some specialized
field like HR, Marketing, Sales etc. but later on decision is
deliberately manipulated and recruitment is made in Operation
and Finance wherein thousands of executives having all the
requisite qualification and experience are already available
in BSNL. Internal executives possessing all the qualification
and experience as prescribed for external candidates have been
debarred and result is also not declared who appeared in the
same exam. This is clear cut act of giving undue benefits to
external candidates and making recruitment from some targeted
candidates. Forum is likely to approach to CVC for vigilance
inquiry if DGM recruitment is not immediately withdrawn.
Although GM (Pers) tried to convince Director (HR) in the name
of requirement of some outside fresh blood but Director (HR)
was fully convince that she is not against any lateral
recruitment but there should not be any discrimination with
internal candidates, in fact preferential treatment should be
given to internal executives over external candidates.
Director (HR) assured that she will go through the detail of
the issues and ensure that no discrimination is happen with
internal executives.
D.
Meeting with Director (HR) on the agenda items submitted by
AIBSNLEA dated 16.07.2015
United Forum of AIBSNLEA & AIGETOA held a meeting with the Dir(HR) along
with the Sr GM(SR) , GM(Estt), GM(Pers), GM(FP), Addl GM(BW),
AGM(Elect) in the Board room at 12 hrs to discuss the
following demands. GS, AGS (C/E/A/TF), FS and AFS from
AIBSNLEA and GS, CS Delhi, CWC Member Delhi from AIGETOA
attended the meeting. The Dir (HR) mentioned that the HR cell
is for the employees and all genuine issues should be resolved
in favor of the employees to motivate them so that they
contribute their utmost to the BSNL for restoring its lost
glory. UF assured its fullest cooperation. Dir (HR) initiated
discussions on the four demands of the UF as hereunder:
1)
Superannuation benefits to Direct Recruited executives as per
the provision of sub-rule (23) of rule 37A of CCS pension rule
and as per DPE guidelines: BSNL should contribute 12% of
Basic + DA as Superannuation Benefits in respect of Direct
Recruits and the effective date of implementation of
Superannuation benefits of BSNL Recruited Employees must be
01.10.2000.
Reply: As per the direction
of Dir (HR), the GM (Estt) submitted a gist of the pensionary
benefits available to the absorbed employees vis-?vis to the
DR employees considering present proposal of 3% contribution
which shows that direct recruits will get more pension on
their retirement. United Forum was not satisfied with the
calculation submitted by GM (East) as same is not covering the
actual retirement benefit available till death of employees.
UF pleaded for 12% contribution from BSNL side as per the DPE
order and submitted the actual calculation which shows that
even after 12% of contribution towards pension fund direct
recruits will get only 1/8th pension in comparison
to absorbed employees. After some discussions the Dir (HR)
appreciated our concern and mentioned that management has
proposed 3% contribution as superannuation benefit which is
cleared by BSNL MC and is pending with BSNL Board Remuneration
Committee for clearance and thereafter by BSNL board, based on
the calculations submitted by the GM (Estt), which in her
opinion is a balance between absorbed and DR employees. Dir
(HR) directed the GM (Estt) to have separate meeting with UF
to understand the calculation of each other within 2-3 days'
time so that the pensionary benefits of the absorbed employees
and the BSNL recruited employees are on equal footing.
Director (HR) was very much concern with this issue and
clearly said that employer has the responsibility to secure
the retrial life of it's employees. She mentioned that BSNL is
ready to take decision for increasing the contribution to
minimize the gap if any between absorbed and direct recruits
in terms of their retrial benefits after seeing the fresh
calculation to be submitted by GM (East) which consider the
views of the UF. She further directed that the revised
proposal, if any shall be submitted to the Remuneration
Committee before the next Board Meeting. The Dir (HR) assured
justice to all employees. UF submitted a detailed calculation
sheet/ draft today itself and we will have further discussion
with the GM (Estt) shortly on this issue.
2.
Some
issues related to Executive promotion policy (EPP) needs
immediate settlement in addition to CPSU cadre hierarchy and
first time bound promotion after 4 years of service in all the
cases as under
(a)
Time
bound promotion from E-5 to E-6 to the DGMs promoted from
Grp.'B' Executives:
Reply:
GM(Pers) informed that the issue is pending with BSNL Board
for approval for the last 7-8 months. We expressed our serious
concern for such inordinate delay on the pretext of
finalization of HR Plan. Dir(HR) appreciated our concern and
assured that after the discussions with BSNL Unions/
Associations the revised HR Plan fitting in Deloittee
Recommendations will be placed in the next BSNL Board Meeting.
Thereafter all the pending HR issues cleared by BSNL MC will
also be approved by BSNL Board.
(b)
Date of effect of Implementation of revised
upgraded IDA Pay Scales for the Executives w.e.f. 1.10.2000 on
notional basis:
Reply:
Addl GM (BW) and GM (Pers) apprised the status of the case
which is now pending in Pers cell for consideration after the
comments of the GM (FP). The proposal was moved by the PGM
(BW) with the comments of the PGM (EW), PGM(Arch) and GM(TF).
GM (Pers) has to give comments on PA/PS cadre. Dir(HR)
directed GM (Pers) to resolve the issue by 31/07/2015.
(c)
Amendment in BSNL MSRRs of EE
(Civil/Electrical/Arch):
Reply:
Dir (HR) mentioned that as per the discussions and decisions
in the meeting of CMD, BSNL with the UF representatives in
her presence held on 13/07/2015, the approval has been given
to Pers cell to issue an executive order treating Diploma with
10 years of technical experience as equivalent to degree in
engineering for the purpose of promotion to the grade of EE(C/E/Arch).
GM (Pers) assured to issue the order today itself. We extended
our sincere gratitude and thanks to the Dir (HR) and CMD, BSNL
for their kind consideration and removing this stalemate in
the career path of C/E/Arch wing executives.
We
congratulate our Civil/Electrical/Architectural Executives for
this historic win.
3.
Conduction of various CPCs on a regular basis:
i.
JTO to SDE (T) CPC against seniority cum
fitness quota: Conduction of DPC for Seniority and fitness
quota as per DoPT guidelines for the years 2009-10, 2010-11,
2011-12 ,2012-13 and 2013-14 to fill up about 6600 posts.
Reply:
GM (Pers) apprised that as soon
as the stay order is vacated from the Hon'ble HC Kerala, the
CPC will be expedited and promotion order will be issued
within seven days. We requested to monitor the developments in
the court so that the case is not further deferred. AIBSNLEA
is also a party in the case
ii.
CPC from SDE (T)/DE(Adhoc) to DE
Regular: Immediate CPC to fill up the left out about 90 DEs
Posts and about 1200 DEs posts on regular basis up to the
vacancies of year 2013-14
Reply:
Dir (HR) directed the GM (Pers) to issue left out 83 SDEs to
DE promotion order immediately and to expedite CPC from SDE to
DE and to fill up all vacant DE posts.
iii.
Immediate conduction of CPC from DE to
DGM (Engg.) on Adhoc/Regular basis to fill up about 700 DGM
vacant posts.
Reply:
GM (Pers) apprised that efforts
are being made to issue 150 DGM orders from eligible DEs on
receipt of VCRs. We pleaded that as per the judgement of
Hon'ble Apex Court, 480 DGM posts can immediately be filled up
since 150 can be filled up. Dir (HR) directed GM (Pers) to
give maximum promotions against vacant posts as much as
possible. GM (Pers) assured an early action in this regard.
iv.
Immediate
CPC from JAO to AO to fill up about 500 AOs posts.
Reply:
GM(FP) informed that after receiving the letter from the UF,
the CPC work from JAO to AO has been initiated.
v.
CPC from AO to CAO Regular to fill up
about 650 CAO vacant posts
Reply:
GM(FP) apprise that the CPC work is held up due to Hon'ble CAT
, Chandigarh direction to refrain from issuing promotions by
considering Roster in present practice in BSNL and consider
Hon'ble Supreme Court judgement of Sri Nagraj Case. We pleaded
that Hon'ble Apex Court judgement has already been endorsed by
DOPT/DPE/DOT/BSNL and as per DOPT guidelines, promotion orders
can be issued. GM(FP) mentioned that the legal opinion from
GM(Legal) has been sought and as per the advice of GM (Pers)
to consider promotions on Adhoc basis after taking approval
from Hon'ble CAT, Chandigarh is being taken. Dir (HR) directed
GM(FP) to take immediate action in this regard.
vi.
CPC
from DGM (F)-Adhoc to DGM (F)
- Regular basis.
Reply:
GM (FP) informed that after receiving the letter from the uF
the CPC has been initiated.
vii.
CPCs from JTO (C/E) to SDE (C/E) and
SDE(C/E) to EE(C/E).
Reply:
The Addl GM(BW) informed that the promotions from JTO? to SDE?
on SCF quota is up to date i.e up to March 2015 and
requisitions will be placed to Recruitment cell for conducting
LDCE for 65 vacancies. The AGM (EW) informed that around 13
SDE (E) posts on SCF quota and 19 posts on LDCE quota are
being initiated for promotion. As far as EE promotion is
concerned, the Dir (HR) directed the BW/EW unit to be very
proactive towards cadre issues and expedite CPCs to fill up
all vacant EE(C/E) posts.
CPCs
from
JTO (TF) to SDE (TF) , SDE (TF)
to DE/AGM(TF) and LDCE from JTO (TF) to SDEs (TF)
Reply:
We expressed our concern for not issuing promotions orders in
TF in the grade of AGM(TF) and not conducting LDCE for
promotion from JTO(TF) to SDE(TF) on the ground of non
finalization of syllabus. Dir(HR) directed the GM(Pers) to
solve the issue in a time bound manner and GM(Pers) assured
top resolve the issue within a month time.
viii.
Promotion from
Assistants to Section officers and Personal Assistant to
Private Secretaries, SO to AGM and AGM to DGM in the erstwhile
CSS and CSSS.
Reply:
GM (Pers) apprised that the promotions are up to date.
4.
Restructuring of AD (OL) Cadre:
The committee constituted under
the Chairmanship of Shri Harsh Wardhan Addl. GM (CP&M), BSNL
C.O. has submitted the report to the competent authority to
revise the pay scale of Rajbhasha Adhikari at par SDE/AO scale
.But the committee report is pending with the GM (Pers) for
more than 8 months without any decision. We have demanded to
restructure the cadre by change of designation as AD(OL) and
to ensure promotions up-to DD (O/L) STS grade.
Reply:
Dir(HR) directed GM(Pers) to process the committee report to
settle the issue within one month time.
In
addition to the above issues, we expressed our concern for not
considering the drawl of increment from the due date for
non-completion of mandatory training within two years of
upgradation on account of departmental fault. Dir (HR)
directed the Addl GM(BW) and GM(Pers) to reprocess the case
for consideration since she is fully convinced with the issue.
The
meeting ended with thanks to the chair. The discussions were
very cordial, effective and fruitful. Dir (HR) advised us to
submit the left out demands of the UF for discussions in the
next week. UF will submit the demands by Monday. | 
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